Monero Talk interviews J.W. Verret: 'privacy is pro-national security'

In this Monero Talk episode¹’², Douglas Tuman³ interviews George Mason Univeristy⁴ Associate Professor of Law J.W. Verret⁵:

[..] privacy is pro-national security [..] I don’t know why the CIA doesn’t use Monero and Zcash to pay agents.. why not? (J.W. @ 56:10)

Several topics are discussed in this interview, including the Bitcoin Fog trial, the indictments against Tornado Cash and Samourai Wallet founders, and the importance of privacy and Monero.