16:00:04 <ofrnxmr> Meeting time: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1460
16:00:32 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Hello!
16:01:02 <plowsof> hi
16:01:29 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> Hello, glad to be here 
16:01:38 <ofrnxmr> Good morning all. Welcome back
16:01:49 <br-m> <sgp_> Hello
16:03:08 <ofrnxmr> While we wait for people to arrive, lets get into 3. Community highlights
16:03:46 <plowsof> this week in monero is a low effort ai generated news letter that is majority (prev issue 100% bar the 1 link for its for profit venture) links to monero.observer  https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero/issue-39 , just putting that out there
16:07:33 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> the monerotierlist.com its lots of fun and hype
16:07:37 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> people be just sharing their tierlist all the time
16:08:15 <br-m> <sgp_> Skylight Wallet public beta with a full redesign and refactor is under Google/Apple review. You can grab the latest APK from the GitHub builds if you don’t want to wait. It now supports node connections as well. Spice Wallet is multi-coin, intended to be the best app for Serai, and it has been approved by Google but is waiting on Apple. We’ll release that when approved by both
16:08:44 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> #skylight-wallet:monero.social room on matrix
16:09:44 <br-m> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> https://monerovis.com/
16:09:44 <br-m> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> Cool new interactive block explorer 
16:10:10 <br-m> <sgp_> I went ahead and implemented OpenAlias v2 support to both, since I want to see that adoption happen
16:11:02 <plowsof> what are the node connections for in skylight wallet? (monero-lws related?)
16:11:12 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @lordx3nu:matrix.org: This is beautiful
16:11:46 <br-m> <sgp_> You can now connect to either an LWS or a node (for local scanning). There are no defaults for these, you need to type your own
16:12:06 <plowsof> ah ok nice 
16:12:52 <plowsof> seems like a public monero-lws list is in the works for monero.fail https://github.com/lalanza808/monero.fail/issues/43 
16:13:12 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://monero.observer/https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero/
16:16:12 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Selsta, Jeffro, and acx fully funded, a few more to go ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required
16:16:12 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> still some troubles with repo.getmonero.org (and ccs. doesnt want to load for me atm)
16:17:00 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> I've encountered this issue (trouble loading) a few times 
16:17:26 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ok, if no more highlight atm, lets get into 4. CCS Proposals
16:17:55 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> a. Dennis Trautwein - ProbeLab P2P Network Metrics Proposal https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/667
16:18:49 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Did they agree to open source everything?
16:19:05 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> can’t remember what we talked about this one the last meeting
16:19:32 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i havent commented further on the proposal since we last discussed this 4 weeks ago. @sgp, has mrl been discussing related mitigations and research into spy nodes?
16:20:53 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: mostly that we need concrete solutions to a long-known issue, not just more tools to map the transactions.
16:21:18 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> and no updates since then
16:21:23 <br-m> <sgp_> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: A recent research paper has been the primary discussion, iirc
16:22:33 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> hmm
16:22:50 <br-m> <sgp_> @sgp_: This one https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.10260
16:23:07 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> thanks sgp
16:23:25 <br-m> <sgp_> It was discussed in more detail during the Wednesday MRL meeting
16:24:31 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: With that said, we don’t need more tools to map transactions i agree with that
16:24:32 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> thanks sgp, i'll leave a comment on the proposal 
16:25:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> b. slowbeardigger - gather consensus on repurpose of monero-integrations ccs 
16:25:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> original proposal: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/125 
16:25:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> recanmans dormant takeover: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/402
16:25:42 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Hola :)
16:26:07 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> tl;dr - recanman took over the monero-integrations proposal a couple years ago, and after some work has appeared to have abandoned the proposal
16:27:06 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> yep I believe plowsof posted somewhere we should reach recanman and ping him
16:27:15 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> slowbear has had a few prs merged on the repo, the i believe serhack is ok with slowbear taking over the proposal. recanman has been pinged a couple times as recently as today for a status check / update / ack on handing over to slowbear.
16:27:32 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof noted that his github is active, but we havent seen him on matrix in quite a few months
16:28:28 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> yup
16:28:28 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> been working on monerowp https://github.com/monero-integrations/monerowp/pull/132 and other integrations
16:28:30 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I have a bit of experience with the monero-integrations
16:28:45 <ofrnxmr> my initial though is to ACK the takeover if recanman doesnt NACK it within the next 7 days
16:28:55 <plowsof> as ct mentions in a comment "If the proposer disappears, no problem, someone else can pick up from their last milestone." - slowbeardigger already has merged commits from serhack and completed a related bounty. the tricky thing is recanman did provide some updates / completed some work.  so would be good to hear from recanman. they are very active
16:28:55 <plowsof> on their GH account, ive also left an issue on a repo that allowed it https://github.com/recanman/monero-denominations-converter/issues/1
16:29:23 <ofrnxmr> i think that is fair (7 days to respond)
16:30:33 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: Sounds good to me
16:31:11 <ofrnxmr> anyone objections? affirmations? 
16:31:22 <ofrnxmr> Any*
16:33:29 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So the plan will be: If no response by saturday sept 26, plowsof or slowbeardigger will open a merge request on the ccs gitlab to take over the proposal. then 7 days later, oct 3rd, we will vote to merge it. Sound good?
16:34:13 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Again, sounds good to me
16:34:36 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> for our next one, this has been discussed a few tiems in his absence but panagot is with us here today
16:34:52 <ofrnxmr>  c. panagot12 Monero LWS Observatory — Public LWS Health https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/686
16:35:19 <plowsof> the last time a proposal was repurposed from under a proposer who had not replied in a long time, they returned to claim completed milestone funds, they returned and where not happy 
16:35:36 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> which proposal was that?
16:35:44 <plowsof> anon 
16:35:55 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> plowsof: yep
16:35:59 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> oh ha. 
16:36:03 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> but that proposal was completed
16:36:09 <plowsof> monero.fail will add a monero-lws public list there soon(tm) https://github.com/lalanza808/monero.fail/issues/43 
16:36:29 <plowsof> yes recanman has made several PR's 
16:39:38 <br-m> <stnby:kernal.eu> Recenman has been gone for like almost a year. He won't ACK. > <ofrnxmr> my initial though is to ACK the takeover if recanman doesnt NACK it within the next 7 days
16:39:40 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so what would you suggest?
16:40:16 <plowsof> stnby he's on github contributing daily heh
16:40:18 <br-m> <stnby:kernal.eu> Move on. I couldn't reach him for a very long time. Seems like he is trying to distance himself from XMR. Still shows as online sometimes. Funny he doesn't respond considering his acc is on my Matrix instance.
16:41:01 <plowsof> :(
16:41:21 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @stnby:kernal.eu: hey, if he doesnt NACK, i'd personally consider that as "his response"
16:41:53 <br-m> <stnby:kernal.eu> plowsof: Oh rlly?
16:42:22 <plowsof> he was given 5 months to show reasonable progress (completing it would be expected) and its been years. activity graph https://github.com/recanman?tab=overview&from=2026-09-01&to=2026-09-09
16:42:42 <plowsof> he never went anywhere
16:43:27 <plowsof> its us, not him? :( 
16:43:43 <br-m> <stnby:kernal.eu> plowsof: Doesn't look very active
16:44:27 <plowsof> https://github.com/stnby 
16:45:02 <plowsof> yes not everything is on github, but he's alive and well and not feeding mother monero with his time !
16:46:08 <br-m> <stnby:kernal.eu> plowsof: What about it?
16:46:17 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof, ack on 7 days to open official takeover MR, then we vote in 2 weeks?
16:47:02 <plowsof> just a compare of the activity graph is all 
16:47:10 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> or do you want more time
16:47:36 <plowsof> i personally would fire him
16:48:25 <br-m> <stnby:kernal.eu> plowsof: I mean my GH is not very active either but still you can see my last merge was on erlang/otp like a week or 2 ago. Nowadays we all use self hosted Forgejo instances.
16:48:46 <plowsof> waiting 7 days is ok, but some work has been done there, i just want him to respond pls respond 
16:49:16 <plowsof> Stnby nice, this is the way
16:49:22 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if he doesnt respong in 7, he still has 2 weeks to NACK the MR
16:49:24 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> yeah, he said he got the monerophp thing 99% done
16:49:31 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: don't tell j p k 
16:49:38 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> xD
16:50:02 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ok, back to c
16:50:05 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> c. panagot12 Monero LWS Observatory — Public LWS Health https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/686
16:50:16 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @panagot1:matrix.org: apologies for the delay, and thank you for attending
16:50:52 <plowsof> OR slowbeardigger makes a MR with what work he thinks needs to be done - picking up the pieces and completing . while recanman proposal remains open. vote on SBD proposal - if it goes to funding consider funding from recanman 
16:51:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> prior meetings havent been in favor of your proposal, i think due to a combination of there not being many lws servers to track, and that ditatompel and monero.fail may be better places to contribute to. 
16:51:38 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> no worries, enjoying the interaction and they way of thinking regarding various members and how they interact / reasoning 
16:52:04 <plowsof> for the next alt account and proposal?
16:53:23 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: fair. slowbear can consider these options before the next meeting
16:53:35 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Will do :)
16:56:01 <plowsof> i say alt, but you are already doing paid work for firo in some capacity?
16:56:25 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> Are there any questions regarding my proposal?
16:56:46 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: is this question for panagot?
16:56:49 <plowsof> yes
16:58:07 <plowsof> https://funding.firo.org/proposals/spark-names-identity-directory-panagot
16:58:19 <plowsof> so not a totally random alt at least 
16:59:37 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> Yes, proposal regarding monero about 3 months ago, just kept hanging
17:00:16 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @panagot1:matrix.org: initially the hangs were a lot about how the repo was always inaccessible when it came time to discuss, which makes it ineligible 
17:00:38 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: yeah this was going on for a while
17:01:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @panagot1:matrix.org: my thoughts on the proposal are that its too soon, and likely not worth it at this time
17:01:36 <plowsof> we're always hesitant with hallucinated texts and new alts 
17:02:10 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> well respected. no worries at all, 
17:02:10 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> You know where to find me on X. As soon as I saw your message, I joined the group chat
17:02:12 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> using public lws servers isnt really recommended at this point, and lws is in fast development, so provider A's lws might not be running the same version as provider B. also, changing servers isnt handled gracefully
17:03:08 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> regarding new users, of course, you need to be careful, You never know who's on the other side of the computer
17:03:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its best for people to run their own lws server, at least until lws and their wallets have matured a bit.
17:04:01 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> not simply for the privacy aspect, but also because the servers need to be maintained, have constant uptime, etc. a server going down means that the user needs to share their view key with another person
17:04:14 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> Idea came from monero stack exchange and I think i saw the request from 2 other places regarding this 
17:04:47 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> yes, of course users want such a thing, but users dont always know what they want. and im sure they dont want to wait hours everytime they switch server
17:05:09 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> from user mahnunchik 
17:05:51 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if nothing else, i would suggest looking into monero.fail's change to add lws servers, and also ditatompel. and to revisit the idea once the lws landscape has matured a bit
17:06:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i think skylight might be the only lws capable wallet at the moment (aside from plowsof's anonero fork)
17:06:37 <plowsof> maybe ravfx would consider monero-lws support for micronero
17:07:14 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> I can ping them, with the work, if they like it. 
17:07:14 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> So regarding this, as I understand it won't be merged. 
17:07:14 <br-m> <panagot1:matrix.org> If I have another proposal, I will submit it in the future. 
17:07:20 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> plowsof: I was thinking about it actually
17:08:05 <plowsof> or make syncing so damn fast nobody needs monero-lws , or wait for the carrot keys which provide increased privacy for services that scan for you 
17:08:34 <ofrnxmr>  e. r4v3r23 - ANONERO Continued development https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/671
17:08:56 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> has been any update or PRs for anonero since the last meeting?
17:09:09 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> r4v3r sent a message a few days ago along the lines of that without funding anonero will go into maintenance mode 
17:09:12 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> let me see if i can find
17:09:17 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> ty
17:09:37 <plowsof> ctrl+f power trip
17:09:51 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> xd
17:10:30 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20260918#c708540
17:11:24 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> is this the right repo? http://git.anonero5wmhraxqsvzq2ncgptq6gq45qoto6fnkfwughfl4gbt44swad.onion/ANONERO/ANONERO/commits/branch/main
17:12:09 <plowsof> i suggest kuno for immediate funding rather than dealing with plowsofs power trip (which i disagree with entirely) 
17:12:34 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: yes
17:12:45 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> ty
17:13:00 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I agree with Kuno
17:14:02 <plowsof> invest in a build server and the community (see monfluo)
17:14:35 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> “fact is without continued support the project is over”
17:14:35 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> To me this indicates that work won’t be done until funds appear
17:16:21 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> And if i may ask
17:16:21 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> in situations like this
17:16:21 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> anonero in the last several meetings hasnt been merged[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/k5epoawLUjQxenlQ ]
17:17:07 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> commits still croming from the org accont and not eh dev.
17:17:09 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> usually, it would have been closed within 4 weeks 
17:17:11 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> I raised some points on their ccs proposal, all got was “let community decide with their wallet”
17:17:19 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> it hasnt, because ANONERO was a pioneer of URQR air gapped scanning, and has helped with a few different things such as getting background sync tested
17:18:02 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> yeah
17:18:10 <plowsof> grass roots project does not mean amateur 
17:19:04 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> So what are we gonna do about it?
17:19:04 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> start a kuno and close the ccs?
17:19:06 <plowsof> monero submodule when? build server, a project lead that knows their deps are 3.5 years out of date etc etc
17:19:19 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the asks werent much, and plowsof shared a few times the work they they could have pulled from - didnt have to review it, but could have easily gotten started with the milestones to show progress
17:19:24 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Good morning > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> don't tell j p k 
17:19:37 <plowsof> 🏃
17:19:39 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> I forgot about this meeting, sorry, lol
17:19:46 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: a little proactive work never hurts
17:20:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> saying the project is dead without funding is also not a good look
17:20:20 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> Again, if they need immediate funding, the Kuno is a great solution and i am sure community will “vote with their wallets”
17:20:40 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> And doesn’t seem that there is intention of addressing some points, such as the mistery devs
17:20:43 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> and just drives home my main point of concern
17:21:00 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> again, its fine if they want to remain anon, perfect, a fucking username for anonero its fine
17:21:05 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> they won’t do it
17:21:39 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> If they had the will to address at least that, would had a different path to funding
17:21:46 <ofrnxmr> Times up, thanks everyone for attending. sorry for the long meeting on a short agenda.
17:22:01 <ofrnxmr> we meet again October 3, 2026, 1600 UTC
17:22:20 <ofrnxmr> Feel free to continue discussing