16:00:31 Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/779 16:00:35 Greetings 16:00:36 hello 16:00:58 Greetings 16:00:59 Hi 16:01:26 Hi 16:01:28 hi i'm here 16:02:19 Community highlights - what happened this week? 16:02:39 Hello, quick update about The Monero ATM Project ❗️Our main parts have arrived and we already started to program libraries starting with the bill acceptor (ccTalk). 16:02:39 All the progress/ideas/technical information/videos 📹️ can be found on our Matrix room linked on the website. 🏧 https://atm.monero.is http://xmratmkz4ehs3ejl2x23fuski4tkw4sjkqlted445bkwx3dmhtbu5sid.onion 16:03:40 very promising, wishing the atm a safe journey to MoneroKon! 16:04:13 [p2pool hardforking to reduce chain bloat] (https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/1095730/psa_p2pool_network_upgrade_aka_hardfork_on_march/) Credit goes duggavo who posted [this issue](https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/issues/221) on Github. Testing shall begin next week according to xmrig/p2pool dev sech1 ([who provides instructions here](https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/issues/153)) 16:04:54 the transactions on testnet are ready for the p2poolers https://community.rino.io/explorer/testnet/ 16:05:09 Not sure how this prevents a had actor from deploying the old p2pool, but havent thought about it either 16:05:44 anyone can help test the p2pool HF next week btw,, only need a tiny amount of hashes 16:06:01 - jeffro256 found something that [isn't an issue](https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-dev/20230114#c188411) but could have been - kayaba/sech are on it, more eyes on the code the better! thanks jeff! 16:06:16 this is on going and i don't know much about it but looks like its being handled ^ 16:06:53 we found a solution already 16:07:07 check #monero-dev logs 16:07:17 Hello. 16:07:33 hello MSvB! 16:08:06 AFAIK, continuing the old P2Pool chain is possible. It's a question off if there would be enough hashpower on the old chain for anyone to want to mine on it. 16:08:23 great work sech1, thanks! 16:09:11 GUPAX will be ready for the p2pool hardfork hinto ? 😁 16:09:26 is the chain bloat mostly from consolidation? i remember being surprised at how small the p2pool payout outputs were 16:09:36 gupax and monero-gui just need to pull the latest binaries and they'll be ready 16:09:41 i think it turned out to be less than a megabyte a day? 16:09:45 bloat is from consolidation 16:09:57 Hi plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org 16:10:45 there will be an events meeting in #monero-events:monero.social at 18:00UTC for those wondering 16:10:53 Next week I will release my findings about centralized mining pools (accidentally) delaying transaction confirmations. Any commentary on it? Has anyone noticed this with your own transactions? 16:11:45 i've mined a smaller coin where a majority of the nodes were also operated by the biggest pool 16:12:00 and it seemed like they rejected any hashes from solo miners (including me) 16:12:38 hinto: IMHO, the big issue is the privacy problems with normal users' effective ring sizes being 1-3 units lower than intended, due to them including p2pool outputs 16:13:07 oh almost forgot - ofrnxmr found that marking a node as trusted reduces initial network traffic - for redeeming a giftcard this means instead of 20 seconds - its now 6 seconds , thanks ofrnxmr 16:13:33 We shall see 16:13:34 See https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/109 16:14:57 agreed, you hate to see multiple coinbase transactions in the ring 16:15:54 anything else on anyones mind before we discuss the ccs proposals? 16:17:24 if we could quickly look at the 'sentiments from the last meeting' here https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/779 16:17:25 Stack wallet and cake both support trusted nodes now btw 16:17:37 is there anyone who disagrees with the merge / close list ? 16:17:56 koe to funding, close commit / lebanon 16:21:33 b. [CypherPunk Radio](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/357) 16:21:57 i had direct messagedNotMtth after last meeting 16:22:35 meant to be giving them a chance to act on the feedback 16:23:07 no updates / nothing new though 16:23:09 I agree 16:23:18 With merge close list 16:23:36 thanks 16:23:36 "koe to funding, close commit..." <- Agreed 16:23:55 we have nothing to discuss for cypherpunk radio tbh 16:24:32 Close 16:25:20 ajs gave some statistics for their radio project - lack luster. the only saving grace for radio is the small amount , but even sitll not much interest in terms of votes / sentiment 16:25:39 On Cypherpunk Radio, if a proposer doesn't have the motivation or capability to follow through with the steps and feedback of a proposal, they likely won't follow through on implementation after funding. 16:26:17 i agree 16:26:47 If you plan on being a community-funded community radio you could at least attend community meetings 16:27:01 Id be ok with closing just because it seems to be a resource hog without much to gain from it 16:27:37 moving on 16:27:46 d. [Create Educational Content in Spanish](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/366) 16:28:14 Any news on the sponships 16:28:23 thanks Lovera for the update here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/366#note_20324 16:28:32 Some people probably cannot attend community meetings due to time conflicts. That shouldn't be a requirement. But they can leave comments on the CCS proposal or post comments here before/after meetings 16:28:43 Hello everyone! Sorry for not being able to attend the previous meeting. 16:28:51 Or message plowsof 16:28:53 yes can definitely post on the ccs if unable to attend (as others have done) 16:29:07 Rucknium: he does usually attend, to be fair 16:29:17 The quote could be aimed at everyone 16:30:05 Regarding lovera update, 16:30:08 Close er 16:30:25 Regarding cakewallet, as I have commented in the ccs, "Unfortunately I am unable to disclose that information. However, I don't think this will influence in any way as there is no rule in this regard. The work submitted and the money required for it, is something completely different from the cakewallet sponsor." 16:31:03 For all I know you make more in sponsorships than you are hoping to milk us for. 16:31:03 Could ve that you get peanuts 16:31:03 Business =/= speculation 16:31:03 So I must say, no 16:31:06 technically not breaking any rules (from what i can see) - its just peoples opinions now if that 'ok' 16:31:24 You dont have to break a rule 16:31:30 You're not entitled to funding just because you didnt break rules 16:31:53 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> For all I know you make more in sponsorships than you are hoping to milk us for.... (full message at ) 16:32:40 not so much a rule but - ' if you want thier upvote / support ' 16:33:15 ofrnxmr[m]: is Lovera[m] getting funding elsewhere for what they are proposing? 16:33:16 If I get 100k a year from cake to advertise them on NY twitter 16:33:17 With these new CCS videos, do you intend to omit mention of Cake sponsorship in all of them? 16:33:29 And then I ask community for 10k to run that same twitter account 16:33:32 You dont see the issue? 16:33:36 This is monero, the mere fact of having to share financial information should already be a problem. I have had no problem showing you my YT income, you might be surprised by cake's income but I am not allowed to disclose this information. 16:33:45 nioc: yes 16:34:04 mentioning cake sponsorship in the videos sounds like free advertising of cake :D 16:34:48 plowsof11: Support from only ofrnxmr? There are other proposals that were in the same situation as mine and have passed to funding. A proposer could submit a proposal and also work part-time. What is the problem? 16:35:01 Paid advertising* cake sponsors them 16:35:16 You mean observed 16:35:22 You forgot about moon 16:35:32 Observer* 16:35:49 nioc: This is completely different work than 5 cakewallet videos 16:35:52 And dont get me wrong, I will be asking observer 16:36:09 ofrnxmr[m]: are you saying that cake already paid lovera for the content that they are proposing in this CCS? 16:36:09 for the people who ' not disclosing cake sponsorship ' (is not an issue) then it would be good to make clear that - " this is a community sponsored video " (and include no other advertisers in it 16:36:31 cake are sponsoring 5 videos per month 16:37:12 Not sure. They cant say what they were paid or what for 16:37:17 Only that that the project in question already generates income 16:37:24 the ccs would be sponsoring extra content - on loveras main channel iirc 16:37:26 Of course, I mean, have you read the proposal? xD 16:37:26 this is completely different work!! this include even more videos in my other channel YT. W/o cakewallet sponsor .. How can I apply for financing and at the same time place cakewallet ads? 16:38:25 Lots of wordgames being played here 16:38:35 Yes, xmr.radio had strong start, but died down after a few months 16:39:08 Cakewalelt promotes 5 videos per month. This is something totally separate. Can't I work part time and at the same time launch a proposal? It sounds really strange, actually.... There is NO rule for this. 16:39:08 This job is completely dedicated to the Monero community. I would even make videos without youtube ad (no monetization). 16:39:08 I didn't renew radio license subscription and switched over creative commons music to cut costs 16:39:08 More than marketing is a help to the whole spanish community. 16:39:14 You have multiple channels 16:39:14 one of those is a large channel 16:39:14 One is smaller and dedicated to monero 16:39:21 Which channel do you refer to 16:39:31 Take a look at the videos related to the mining or Nodes of monero... Many visualizations that help people. 16:39:32 And run the stream at least until the domain expires July 2023 16:39:33 people come for funding of content that few people are going to see. Here we have a proposal for a channel that actually gets views. 16:39:46 thank you for this information ajs_ (xmr.radio is still a great project) 16:39:47 ofrnxmr[m]: Both... I will post in both channels 16:40:10 It's still not clear to me whether Cake sponsorship will appear in these proposed CCS videos. 16:40:56 so for the people who do not care about the disclosing of cakes sponsorship - then take Ruckniums suggestion and state clearly in the proposal - that the community sponsored videos will not be monetised / advertise anything else 16:41:16 Lovera[m]: Which one does cake sponsor 16:42:10 Rucknium[m]: Guys, I repeat again. The work proposed in the CCS is solely and exclusively for the community. No cakewalelt ads, no youtube ads (although sometimes youtube adds them without permission). it is a work completely apart from cakewallet's sponsorship. 16:42:29 nice, just write that in the proposal to be clear 16:42:44 Lovera: Thanks for clarifying 16:42:55 There's nothing wrong with having multiple sponsors.. 16:43:54 plowsof11: I will update the CCS to make it even clearer. 16:44:48 and then people must vote on the gitlab if they support 16:45:12 Next item please 16:45:16 Im a she, not a person 16:45:31 Not a people** 16:45:44 ofrnxmr[m]: You're a ringsig 16:45:59 there are no other items 16:46:21 Cool 16:46:26 AOB? 16:46:54 Next week 16:46:55 Monero meet 16:46:58 Nice 16:47:30 I'm going to use txstreet.com to explain the tx confirmation delay issue. So thanks to CCS donors for supporting txstreet in 2021. 16:47:36 What time? 16:47:52 Txstreet is awesome 16:47:52 The 24th, not sure the time 16:47:52 sgp: 16:47:56 when they get kicked off the bus? 16:48:11 Ive seen that 16:48:24 Yesterday actually. 16:48:35 Bus wasnt full but 5 or so people got booted 16:48:48 That's what's happening. Of course, I collect the data directly from nodes rather than txstreet. 16:48:51 theres a tx here thats been waiting for nearly 7 hours .. could definitely use a seat https://community.rino.io/explorer/testnet/txpool 16:49:01 Rucknium: amateue 16:49:08 My motto is "Keep the Isabellas on the bus" 16:49:31 I have a feeling those long lineups are coming 16:49:58 new transactions with the same fee get to sit on the bus - not fair 16:50:23 ofrnxmr[m]: Then the bus just gets larger silly 16:51:40 Monero unconfirmed racist 16:52:00 monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: 🐒 does it tho 🥳 16:52:40 looking forward to the demonstration Rucknium , hopefully its recorded or planned so we can see? 16:53:18 Screenrecording ftw 16:53:19 I just take screenshots. It's in blog/Reddit form 16:53:26 ok good 16:54:31 with great sadness, it seems its time to end the meeting 16:54:54 wrap up by listing ccs proposals that have consensus? 16:55:25 Litecoin is beating Monero in speed to first transaction confirmation. Did you know that? Now you do 16:55:34 Litecoin block time is 2 minutes 30 seconds. Monero's is 2 minutes flat (on average) 16:55:53 radio seems to have consensus of "meh" and "close" 16:56:47 lovera's is ready for your opinions / votes after showing their hand / clarifying things 16:57:16 Poke it with a stick, see if it does something 16:57:54 the others are listed in the issue (koe to funding, close lebanon/commit) 17:00:02 thank you all for attending x