16:00:19 meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/767 16:00:47 2. Greetings 16:00:48 Hi 16:00:48 hii 16:01:19 Hi 16:01:22 Hi!! 16:01:25 hi 16:02:00 plugging the news outlets ~ News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) 16:02:40 Heyyy 16:03:01 hi 16:03:10 Morning 16:03:37 right lets jump in to the ccs list 16:03:38 a. [Metronero checkout](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/353) 16:03:45 Wait. Let me announce: 16:03:49 oh 16:04:16 MAGIC Monero Fund is having elections. There are three seats up for election. Only two candidates so far: https://github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund-Elections 16:04:24 And you can apply to be a voter 16:04:41 The fund has the equavalent of 50,000 USD split between USD and XMR 16:04:54 16:05:13 3 seats up for election? interesting. thanks for sharing 16:06:49 right so this metronero proposal. its been up for 2 weeks now in its current form and seems to be missing an extra push. so my question is for the people who like it, how to improve it? my suggestion is to drop the sylius thing and only provide a woocommerce plugin (easier/less work_ and reduce maintenance to just 1 month or something. thoughts? 16:07:09 and my question to those that don't like the proposal - is there anything you would want changed / included / assured? 16:08:01 Morning 16:08:40 (they have other commitments in the future with monerokon etc so it is in their interests to remain in good standing with the community for the foreseeable future) 16:08:49 Any feedback would be appreciated 16:08:58 I also think the current "maintenance" fee is quite high and unclear what's included. 16:09:07 * Any feedback positive or negative would be 16:09:16 unless I overlooked it :P 16:09:43 i prefer woocommerce > no plugin & less css work > sylius 16:10:10 my suggestions would drop the amount to closer to 110~xmr i think , and we'd get a woocommerce plugin / and the final product for a month so we can see it in action 16:10:25 selsta: I will share it once again. 16:10:25 Labor (12 hours a month. 12 hours * 12 months * 0.25 XMR * 2 people = 72 XMR) 16:10:25 Hosting of custodial instance without commission fees (8 XMR) 16:10:29 ccs* 16:10:46 which leaves the door open for funding the more advanced sylios thing later on 16:11:04 sylius* 16:11:04 Maintenance expecting an average of no more than 12h a month of work 16:11:56 And 8XMR on hosting for 12 months on a not too flexible of a budget 16:12:19 * on hosting a public instance with no dev fee for 12 16:12:26 im happy with woocommerce only / 1 month hosting/maintenance to bring the asking amount right down 16:12:58 am i a madman? 16:13:12 Nope, it's doable 16:13:16 We also think that maintenance part is unnecessary. But that was the suggestion of previous meetings 16:13:33 To include a maintenance milestone 16:14:25 i think that would give it the extra push, i just dont know if everyone else agrees 16:14:45 We are also fine with dropping the Syllius from CCS we can do it at our own expense 16:15:01 Agree that current price tag is a bit expensive. Appreciate the addition of plug-ins 16:15:10 and give woocommerce asap? 16:15:48 plowsof11: Yeah 16:16:03 The longer term hosting, I think would still be ideal @8xmr 16:17:44 so mainly to reduce the workload with WCom. plugin and shorter period of maintenance or cheaper 16:18:10 It will be hosted as long as we can financially afford, after the period of free hosting there will be a transaction fee on our custodial instance 16:18:34 And the fee should. Over maintenance costs? 16:18:39 Cover* 16:18:46 Transaction fee as in covering the hosting and further maintenance costs 16:18:58 Not for profit project 16:19:11 I like 16:19:25 we can move on now/change then with this feedback i think 16:19:34 Sure 16:19:50 b. [xmr-btc-swap development and improvement](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/355) 16:20:50 i dont think leito can make it here today. ive left my opinions under that proposal, and just think commit is dead rip , we have farcaster soon 16:21:07 Does anyone know if BasicSwap used the COMIT protocol for their BTC<>XMR atomic swaps? 16:21:14 but am waiting for leito to show where he has fixed the commit protocol already during his volunteer work to justify the rates 16:21:55 i assume so? there was also a javascript thing that used COMIT also 16:21:58 COMIT was always a proof of concept from what I remember 16:22:17 years later now trying to "fix" it and making it a proper API is the wrong approach in my opinion 16:22:29 Rucknium[m]: I think they use their own protocol valley something SecureMessaging (SMSG) Network 16:22:43 I dont like 16:24:05 From casual observation, COMIT could lose user funds from the beginning. We don't know if this will be the last fix of it. 16:24:06 so ive asked him to show where he has improved the protocol so far (if we're not getting some cryptographer/developer then why bother - as we have paid binarybaron + teammate to handle those small tweaks UX issues) 16:24:59 Sunset it 16:25:22 Having some competition is a good argument, but COMIT may be out-competed by Farcaster. 16:26:20 if he is a cryptographer researcher developer then sure , he can put commit on his back and compete with the Farcaster team 16:26:51 Farcaster looks very promising and it's also in Rust 16:27:03 Perhaps they can collab 16:27:46 if leito shows clearly he is skilled, then we may need him elsewhere , im ok to wait 16:28:10 we can move on if anyone has other input 16:29:06 c. [CypherPunk Radio](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/357) 16:29:38 ive pinged NotMtth a week ago here and messaged him, dont think he's seen it but theres been no requested updates / proof of concepts since we requested weeks ago 16:29:56 im ok closing it the next meeting 16:30:45 Keep that same energy when people push back 🥲 16:30:54 agreed 16:31:37 d. [Bulletproofs++ Peer Review](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/358) 16:31:37 nothing to discuss here as we're waiting for the author still ... 16:31:48 other than closing it? and re-opening it ? 16:32:29 Let it sit open imo, its a different category and needs constant follow up 16:32:30 Rucknium suggested to wait around 3 months so its probably better to close it until we have an update 16:33:11 just "hide it from the ides page" 16:33:12 it already has community approval.. just waiting 16:33:52 moving on then 16:33:53 e. [escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (Winter 2022)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/363) 16:34:08 last meeting it was recently posted and not many attended, but all said merge 16:34:21 if no ones voted on merge or not please do so 16:34:22 Voted to merge at last meeting, but was still young (right?) 16:34:23 Yeah 16:34:44 Merge 16:35:00 Merge 16:35:33 that'll do it escapethe3ra , moving on 16:35:37 Merge 16:35:49 f. [Create Educational Content in Spanish](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/366) 16:37:26 👋🏻 I’m the autor of this proposal, any comments, suggestions are welcome 16:37:26 1. Do you get paid from youtube 🙂 16:37:27 so cakewallet is already sponsoring 5 videos a month i think, and this proposal would increase the monero related videos on loveras main channel? along with other things (tutorials etc) 16:37:42 marketing / outreach too 16:38:10 Already have 15k subs and (how many watch hours?) 16:39:00 YouTube studio > monetization 16:39:17 ofrnxmr[m]: I have 2 YT channels, 1 Monero Only and another different topics. In the first one I don’t get paid 16:40:10 So the answer is yes. 16:40:10 How many subs and watch hours on each channel 16:40:19 plowsof11: Yes! All milestones is separate from cake sponsor… More videos and tutoriales 16:40:51 this was only posted the other day so we've not had time to absorb whats going on here. i've checked the channel(s) out and i just great looking content, worthy of cakewallets investment clearly 16:40:52 Yeah, good channel 16:41:17 Lovera[m]: Your main channel gets more views so I think it's preferable to post there instead of the Monero only channel 16:41:56 lovera mentioned doing video tutorials on gupax/monero-bash @hinto 16:42:14 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> So the answer is yes. 16:42:14 > How many subs and watch hours on each channel 16:42:14 In LoveraXMR 550+ and growing fast last weeks… 16:42:37 hehe one step ahead https://github.com/hinto-janaiyo/gupax#How-To 16:42:39 The content seems great (I don't speak spanish), has a bunch of comments from people and views higher than usual when it comes to non english monero content 16:42:46 Not something that needs fundraising imo. Your YouTube presence is profitable, paid directly from youtube, and you have outside sponsors. We also dont fund transations @plowsof re gupax 16:42:47 Connect with MoneroTalk/Monerotopia since they will have their conference in Mexico CIty next year 16:43:25 In LoveraXMR 95 hours Las 28 days in LoveraTV ~800 16:43:38 Do you need a paypal account to get paid by YouTube? 16:44:05 All time numbers for xmr please 16:44:07 ofrnxmr[m]: I can show you how much YouTube pay for this 🤣 16:44:34 We can still sponsor, I don't think youtube pays him more than few dollars 16:45:04 Please do 16:45:04 Lovera[m]: Sure :D 16:45:05 * Lovera[m] uploaded an image: (119KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/ZWbuvElmIayLeggxmxIXSPhU/ima_20d399e.jpeg > 16:45:22 While youre offering, details on all income would be nice as well 16:46:11 And for Monero only channel there is not incomings 16:46:49 I think that this proposal is more than just Marketing, many people in Monero Spanish channel ask for tutorials and guides… Injust one to push more effort to create more content 16:47:32 i would see this as a re-introduction of Lovera (as his last ccs was some time ago) so we need some time to think, but i would clearly state things in a full disclosure section (if you are happy to) to show cake sponsor . we must remember the asking amount is just 3.5xmr / month too 16:47:33 I think it's worth paying for content on your main channel for that because there's clearly activity there 16:48:49 definitely active / large outreach 16:49:02 15k subs 16:49:42 highest viewcount on one of lovers videos? 16:49:42 I have TikTok also where I plan to push Monero News every week 16:49:44 loveras* 16:50:04 ofrnxmr[m]: Compared with other channels that speak over monero moon articles in russian, 15k is something 16:50:16 There is 27k subs, I just want to spread more Monero over the e world 16:50:35 Monerotalk 7.6k 16:50:54 Monerotalk has 7.6k subs** for comparison 16:51:04 thanks 16:51:19 Well lmao he's more popular than everyone 16:52:00 Yeah 16:52:20 plowsof11: ✅ COMO MINAR ⛏ Monero desde Windows o Linux | Guía paso a paso 16:52:20 https://youtu.be/EjSXyxgZjZ4 16:52:22 About Monero this one I think 16:53:13 And this is the main channel, right 16:53:32 such guides / walk throughs are really important for noobs (especially in their native language) 16:53:41 Yes! I one to push also Monero Only channel! 16:53:58 IMO keep it all on main channel... 16:54:09 Grow your main channel, but keep monero playlists on main channel 16:55:04 plowsof11: This is the main reason for this proposal, take a look at Telegtam Monero channel in Spanish, all time question, about mining, wallets, nodes 16:55:40 thank you for attending lovera , we learned alot and feedback seems positive, lets wait for more feedback over the next week or so 🚀 16:55:47 ofrnxmr[m]: Yea, I can share content through both channels 16:55:55 He also has: 16:55:55 TikTok Channel: 20,000+ suscribers 16:55:55 Telegram Channel: 1000+ suscribers 16:56:22 more than me : 0 and 0 16:56:26 Thanks you 🙏🏻 16:57:18 right, moving on lastly to LebAnons proposal 16:57:19 g. [Empower Lebanon(and similar hyperinflated countries) to use Monero instead of fiat(educational and bartering platform/guerilla marketing/workshops)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/367) 16:57:21 there are a few comments already for lebanon to act on 16:58:27 show 'proof of work' basically 16:58:35 i think showing previous work is needed here 16:58:52 More XMR market websites. Monero is truly the wild west. Attracts all the cowboy devs. 16:59:16 Please collaborate and don't re-invent the wheel. 16:59:16 🙄 im all for Lebanon using xmr, but 5xmr for stickers ? 16:59:17 monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: 16:59:40 Hmm 16:59:40 too many people talk big but never deliver 16:59:40 ofrnxmr[m]: That is a lot of money for stickers 16:59:46 Depends how many 16:59:51 i suggest @monerobull funds a guerrilla and sends 25 euros of xmr directly so lebanon can print stickers himself (cheaper) 17:00:09 Monerobull is like "only if they buy them from me" 17:00:10 plowsof11: Guerrilla fund is empty 17:00:26 And he plans to stick them around Beirut (20 km2) 17:01:03 He doesn't need that many stickers 😅 17:01:04 Ill send a real life guerrilla to deliver the stickers foe 5xmr 17:01:17 I think they have postal services that work, it's not afghanistan after all 17:01:18 if lebanon wants some of monerobull s stickers, I'll sponsor a pack, no problem 17:01:25 I didnt read any further into the proposal than that 17:01:47 ceetee[m]: I doubt packages to Lebanon arrive at first try 17:01:52 Israel took 3 attempts to finally get through 17:01:53 binance had a crypto meetup there in july (my comment asks about this) 17:01:54 They should 17:02:01 monerobull[m]1: Oh 17:02:26 i barely leave the house so if i made an ourreach proposal i couldnt prove any of this 17:02:41 hopefully lebanon can 17:02:47 I think his proposal should focus on the web app he's talking about 17:03:03 he wants to make bitejo.com 17:03:06 And he should elaborate more on what is that going to be exactly 17:03:22 a place to barter for goods/services using xmr 17:03:50 how would we verify the party was a success he plans on throwing? 17:03:52 > Safe mode by Dr.Daniel Kim which is the most recommended starter talk to get to know how XMR is true digital cash 17:03:52 Huh 17:04:13 plowsof11: Bitejo is looking for someont to take over, no? 17:04:13 plowsof11: I'm not sure if we should fund that 17:04:30 plowsof11: Lots of pictures (not good for promoting XMR) 17:04:46 if he has experience of planning meetups - and its going to be a mini monerokon then sure 17:04:54 otherwise, no 17:04:55 Siren[m]: It's ZCash level of a request 17:05:34 put some stickers around beirut, use bitejo.com and watch monero means money with some friends 17:05:36 If you end up funding that please fund our Lithuania meetups so we can get unlimited free drinks at a bar for an hour or two 😭 17:05:49 plowsof11: 5000$ 17:06:11 Yes, Zcash gets a lot of these requests to their fund. They have paused them while they are working on the tx spam issues 17:06:33 Siren[m]: Also my Friday gamenights so we don't have to use debians jitsi instance anymore 17:06:51 LebAnon if you are serious about this, spirobel would like to talk to you as 'feet on the ground' anywhere is always a good start 17:07:31 so we've reached the end (other than user selenzeasking why cant they sign up for matrix account without email because monero is anonymous!)