18:00:56 Meeting time 👋 18:00:56 1. Introduction ~ a few things where discussed earlier today, so ill make sure to include them in the logs (community highlights stuff) 18:01:04 2. Greetings 18:01:09 hello 18:03:03 Hi 18:04:02 ill just plug some things we discussed earlier while we wait for people to roll in 18:04:09 Greetings 18:05:01 Good aftermorning 18:05:27 sup 18:05:28 Monero Observer is now open [source](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/uohuns/comment/i8hxtox/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) 18:05:33 hii 18:06:13 3. Community highlights 18:06:47 devs are all busy with the upcoming testnet fork tomorrow 👀 18:07:56 is there anything on the tip of anyones tongue (other than what was discussed earlier today) 18:08:19 Multisig needs reviews 18:08:19 If anyone knows anyone, there are a few bounties on haveno as well 18:08:58 2@2500$ and a few in the 500-1000 range 18:09:16 true, it was nice to see that instead of 'being disabled' ~ moneromoo is working on adding it in but , off by default , with some warnings when enabled 18:09:19 Pinging spirobel: 18:09:38 Moo is too fast. Already finished 18:10:09 for someone that says he is not involved in monero anymore he is sure doing alot of work still 18:10:25 thanks moo 18:10:39 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8328 18:11:08 Amazing thanks! 18:12:12 Not sure how the 5xmr bounty is progressing to 'fix the bounties site' ~ but the wheels are in motion and a c# implementation was made with alot of improvements [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/upi39o/monero_bounties_service_rewrite/) 18:12:44 we wouldn't have had viewtags implemented for the next HF if it wasn't for the bounties site 18:14:22 can also touch on the community node list. i set up a little experiment and made 2500~ transactions from around 800 nodes, with no high fees found 18:14:56 sech1 suggests that it is possible an attacker can perform a 'pop up shop' attack where they rent hash power , throw a malicious node up , and mine the block containing the high fee 18:15:12 a community node list would prevent this 18:15:19 for simple mode gui users 18:16:18 plowsof[m]: I read about the malicious node just not broadcasting the transaction until he mines the high fee block himself, could that actually work? 18:16:36 I believe so. 18:16:38 That way they are WAY more likely to benefit from the high fees 18:17:10 interesting, ill follow that up and ask sech about it 18:19:01 as always, community events can be found on these news sites [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Monero Moon](https://www.themoneromoon.com/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) 18:20:08 I think a community list for GUI is ideal.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/fdddbada04346ce5b094cd94d7e83d8820b47cc0) 18:20:22 yep feather too 18:20:42 SerHack: someone told me the woocommerce gateway at checkout shows a slightly wrong xmrchain domain. It has one too many / and therefore is broken 18:21:26 dont worry - they won't work after the HF 18:21:50 Hardfork will break the gateway? 18:22:15 actually no, its using xmrchain and / or monero wallet rpc, ignore that 18:22:41 ill make sure he hears about that bug thanks 18:23:02 It's the link to xmrchain to view the transaction you just made. 18:23:43 RIght , shall we jump into talking about some CCS ideas? 18:24:01 Spiro didnt make it :( 18:24:15 "I am once again asking for the..." <- :) 18:24:23 4. [CCS updates](https://ccs.getmonero.org/) 18:24:33 a. [Research Computing Upgrade](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/317) 18:25:36 every time i read about some MRL research , its always ' gingeropolous let us use his server to do x y z' and now he is asking for some upgrades / maintenance fees 18:26:08 Ruckniumcurrent research will directly benefit. and has left comments on this ccs detailing some other projects it will help / gingeropolous has helped 18:27:01 and he offers all MRL members to use his resources.. i think its a no brainer ? 18:27:35 Chainalysis probably has supercomputers so we should have them too. 18:28:17 If he's open to suggestion, id have one. 18:28:17 That be the distribution. 18:28:35 dangerousfreedom has a ccs in progress now, but only has his laptop - an example of the benefits 18:29:37 30:27 is the current hardware to labour 18:29:37 but im bullish. 18:29:37 Id go 35:22 18:29:37 3months from now xmr price 18:29:54 maths 🤔 18:30:10 Supercomputer go brr 18:30:33 his rates could be better adjusted to account for current price drops? 18:31:08 He's requesting 57 xmr total 18:31:08 30 for hardware 27 for labour over 3 months. 18:31:08 Id go 35 to 22, if not a problem 18:31:28 ah ok , i get you 18:33:12 the next CCS has some drama in the comments... 👀 18:34:02 b. [Moneroj.net improvements, articles and maintenance (3 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/318) 18:34:35 the author is going to respond to the criticisms shortly though 18:36:36 one valid concern i have heard is that the website is focussed on monero price .. stock to flow things that are not actually 'proven' .. kind of like trade analysis , i'd rather the money was put into other research things 18:36:51 Agree with majestic 18:37:41 45 USD/hour? You should re-consider your hourly rate based on how much Monero core developers are paid to work on code that really matters. There is no guarantee neither reference that you are producing code not even on similar level. 18:37:53 will have to wait for his rebuttal, its early days now, hopefully some things are changed / addressed 18:38:12 This is where plowsof comes in 18:38:20 Stuff like that, imo, should be waas 18:38:23 CCS's should be priced in 'selstas' 18:38:30 at a rate of 0.7 selstas per month 18:38:54 Even koe. 18:39:09 indeed xd 18:39:46 And what about poor old Seth 18:40:06 I plan to get privacy-preserving statistics using Plausible (which has a monthly cost), the same way Seth does at https://sethforprivacy.com 18:40:44 the final boss on twitter for anti monero people / privacy community leader / father of an undisclosed amount of monero nodes in the ecosystem? 18:42:22 Also official ceo 18:43:16 For 5000/month, thats too much for a website ive yet to visit. 18:43:40 5000 @ 175usd/xmr. 18:43:40 87xmr total 18:43:56 and thats just 3 months.. theres more months in a year so im told 18:45:29 Anybody else have any input? 18:45:32 spirobel isnt here to fight monerobull reg the afghan proposal 18:46:03 Spiro was here all night though. Saying rotten hero's the proposal 18:46:05 There is no fight. It's a legitimately unneeded proposal 18:46:23 Veto* 18:46:36 With plenty of feedback saying it's unneeded 18:47:05 yeah , not much has happened since luigi asked to 'see something different' 18:47:14 otherwise it would be closed 18:47:32 I *really* dont like the sound of 18:47:32 Im going to send 2300$ overseas to someone that I know. DW about it, they will be able to do something with it 18:48:05 2300$ isn't enough to transform a neighborhood, nevermind an entire country. 18:48:14 Translations need previous work 18:48:24 Why should this work with "my gf will do it" 18:48:41 objection your honour , speculation / hearsay 18:48:46 Dismissed 18:48:49 thanks 18:49:34 yeah so the moneroj .net , is early days, lets wait for his rebuttal also 18:49:51 I made my thought clear in monero chat 18:49:52 Its too of an amount (you can bankroll that yourself) and too vague and too much trust involved 18:49:52 Waas. 18:50:21 spirobel could easily put his monero javascript wallet forward for ccs funding 18:50:35 Regarding spirobel afganistan proposal 18:50:35 Too low* of an amount 18:51:17 i hope he does make a ccs for the js wallet , the community would welcome that with open arms 18:51:34 getting into the last 10 minutes now 18:51:34 If it was a 1 man project, ok. But meena exists. Why is meena not in discussions. 18:52:14 6. Workgroup reports 18:52:32 moneromoo is too quick.. already done what he promised reg multi sig warning lol 18:53:43 "I havent contributed in months" 18:53:43 *checks GitHub* 18:53:43 moneromoo activity on 🔥 18:53:43 Btw what makes a workgroup a workgroup? Am i in a workgroup? 18:53:43 the events team have their Merch pack : (unfortunately names 'STD pack') but it seems nice: 'Merchpack STD': tshirt, bucket hat, cotton socks, carrying bag, lanyard, shoelaces, patch, screen cleaner, inkpen, USB drive, bandana, tattoo, cold storage, party wristband, plastic bottle. 18:54:05 exactly^ lol i am all for paying him his open work in progress ccs 18:54:43 monerobull[m]: I do marketing you know 18:55:49 monerobull has started some kind of fund to help 'monero guerrillas' purchase stickers to distribute them around their area 18:55:58 i guess you are in the outreach workgroup now 18:56:04 plowsof[m]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/uq3s32/option_to_fund_guerrillas_get_funded_now_available 18:57:41 looking forward to see how that goes.. also an idea of a map to show where they have been distributed? 18:58:41 Yeah I've updated the privacy policy a little. Will probably do monthly/quarterly reports on the general region subsidized packages went to 18:59:17 Because right now most orders go to Europe/ NA and not a lot of other places 18:59:31 Plowsof, care to repeat latest devel of waas 19:00:30 WaaS is at the stage where it is 'dockerised' and you can just start it.. add .. edit.. remove wishes at will. 19:01:09 more info here https://github.com/plowsof/flipstarter-waas-wip (docs need improving) 19:02:20 the hour has come to an end , i will make sure to include the logs of earlier chats today 19:02:53 And current version supports 19:02:53 bch, xmr, and wow now? 19:02:53 Sooner or later I may try to take a crack at it. 19:02:53 A cool feature would be donating hr 19:03:42 Let me know, always available to help. Thanks for joining everybody. 2nd time i've done this so bare with me. next meeting should be in 2 weeks at the same time [post-meeting discussions: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20220515#c95839]